cross-posted from: https://rss.ponder.cat/post/96099
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- SoJB@lemmy.mlEnglish1 year
The entire history of the Republic of Korea from 1945 to 2025 suggests otherwise. The US propaganda is strong, I see.
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Just the case of a leader trying insurrection and holding them accountable. You know, like the US failed to do…
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Recognizing the ROK’s past dictatorship doesn’t mean pretending they aren’t more democratic than the US. It isn’t black-and-white.
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lol imagine thinking that a country where pretty much everything is owned by a handful of families is a democracy
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I’m not saying the US is a perfect democracy. I’m stating that they’re relatively more democratic. I don’t think the US is a democracy. But I do think that it’s relatively less democratic than the ROK, which appears to be headed vaguely in the direction of democracy, unlike the US or the DPRK. But we’ll have to wait and find out as to whether they actually make it there. Good point about the concentration of economic power. Which obviously means political power as well. But their right-wing aspiring dictator seems more likely to be held accountable for his crimes than the US’s. And maybe that says something about their relative degrees of democracy.
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US is a democracy for the ruling class which is the capital owning class, just as ROC is. As Lenin so eloquently put it, in capitalist society, providing it develops under the most favorable conditions, we have a more or less complete democracy in the democratic republic. But this democracy is always hemmed in by the narrow limits set by capitalist exploitation and consequently always remains, in effect, a democracy for the minority, only for the propertied classes, only for the rich. Freedom in capitalist society always remains about the same as it was in the ancient Greek republics: freedom for the slave owners.
Don’t take my word for it though, here’s what a study analyzing decades of US policy found:
Meanwhile, the whole concept of any sort of democracy is pretty recent in ROC given that it was a literal dictatorship for most of its existence. If the current fascist in charge actually goes to jail, which seems increasingly unlikely, then another representative of the capital owning minority will replace him.
On the other hand, DPRK is a socialist state where workers are in charge. The industry and farms in DPRK are a mix of state and cooperative ownership, and work is done for the benefit of the workers themselves. A state where capital does not rule over the workers is fundamentally more democratic than any sort of bourgeoisie democracy could ever hope to be.
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You really had me until you claimed workers are in charge of the DPRK. it looks like a hereditary monarchy to me.
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It’s quite obvious that you don’t know the first thing about the subject you’re attempting to debate here. Why should anybody care about what it looks like to you?
