• tired_n_bored@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 year

    Poor Ukraine. One side wants to kill them all and steal the land, another side wants to rape its land, not to mention bordering Belarus, Slovakia and Hungary who are the removed of Putin. We live in a sad reality

    • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
      1 year

      One side wants to kill them all

      Not that I like fascist Putin, but isn’t the civilian casualty rate in Ukraine extremely low to other conflicts we’ve seen recently like the genocide in Gaza or the invasion of Iraq?

      • Uruanna@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 year

        Only because Russia is failing to do what they’ve really wanted to do since the beginning, or did you forget Bucha.

        They’re still stealing children by the thousands though.

      • onecarmel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1 year

        They deliberately target schools and hospitals, so take that as you will

        • شاهد على إبادة@lemm.eedeleted by creatorEnglish
          1 year

          They is unqualified, I assume you mean all of the three: US, Israel and Russia. For those who forgot or weren’t paying attention to US war crimes:

          Saturday, 6 November, 2004, US strikes raze Falluja hospital

          On 3 October 2015, US airstrikes destroyed our trauma hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, killing 42 people

          Edit: guessing from the downvotes war crimes committed by the US and Israel, or committed against Arabs and Afghans don’t count. War crimes are only bad if Russia does it. Good to know.

          • Zink@programming.devEnglish
            1 year

            I think you’re going downvoted because you start off being disingenuous (“they” clearly refers to Russian invaders) and follow that up with some whataboutism.

            I can assure you that the Lemmy population is quite aware of bad things being done, it having been done, by other governments. Even ones that live under those governments.

          • onecarmel@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1 year

            Well, you’ve found yourself in a thread about the Ukraine-Russia conflict, so those others are irrelevant to this discussion

            Fuck Hamas

            Edit: hope you weren’t one of those fools that voted for Trump. He wants to turn Gaza into a strip mall or a golf course

        • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
          1 year

          Yes, if Russia turns to murdering civilians on the scale of Iraq or Gaza, I’ll be the first to condemn that more, but it isn’t the case as of now. Not that this justifies the invasion or the nationalist Russian ideology, ofc

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
        1 year

        Of course it’s always difficult counting the dead, and Russia doesn’t allow any monitoring of this kind of thing in the territory it controls. But it’s likely the number of civilian deaths is around double that of Gaza. The numbers for the military is likely more than double that.

        Ukraine does it’s best to protect it’s civilian population and their soldiers wear uniforms. Hamas does not wear uniforms, and actively prevents civilians from evacuating from areas where there’s combat operations. In fact having combat operations happening in populated areas was basically the point of massacring villages while taking hostages, both of which are war crimes. If you want to negotiate a prisoner release you don’t massacre villages, if you want a war that minimizes civilian casualties, you don’t take hostages to densely populated areas.

        Hamas created a scenario to maximize civilian deaths, and it will probably never be known the true number of civilian deaths since they didn’t wear uniforms so the number of Hamas dead and number of civilian deaths can’t be distinguished. Israel claims half the number you see reported are Hamas, while Hamas claims it’s much less.

        Note the difference between a military that protects it’s civilians and wears uniforms and what Hamas is doing. Larger numbers of soldiers than civilians die in Ukraine because they prioritize protecting civilians, while larger numbers of civilians than soldiers die in Gaza as fodder for their propaganda machine.

        Note that Hamas is suddenly wearing uniforms as soon as a ceasefire is in effect. How often do you remember seeing them wear uniforms in combat when doing so would prevent civilian casualties? They have uniforms, they just don’t wear them in combat in order to maximize confusion which results in civilian casualties.

        • volodya_ilich@lemm.eeEnglish
          1 year

          the number of civilian deaths

          I specifically talked about ratios and not about absolute numbers. Ukraine has an order of magnitude more people than Palestine, it would be surprising if there weren’t more casualties overall.

          Hamas does not wear uniforms, and actively prevents civilians from evacuating from areas where there’s combat operations

          OK, Zionist and genocide apologist.

  • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1 year

    Ukraine got used to weaken Putin and now the US sweeps in and recoups the cost for free. Ukrainians lose part of their country to Russia and hand over the minerals of the other half to America.

    Imagine being Ukrainian and having died for this.

  • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1 year

    Just tell the US they can have any resources they can liberate from Russia. We’d have tanks at Moscow in hours.