The US is not safe to travel to and you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now. Keep this in your mind regardless of what reason you think contradicts this. It is not safe.
I am honestly wondering how long it will be before you are eligible for refugee claims in the world with the state of affairs in your country. You aren’t trapped though! Come to Canada! We have a bunch of issues now, but it will be a breathe of fresh air compared to the issues you face.
Why isn’t it that simple? People leave their countries for a better life everyday. If the situation is as bad as claimed I can see no reason why regardless of complexity it isn’t the option chosen.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
Do you think any of this should matter to someone who needs to flee a country for their safety? Do you know how many people need to do such things on a regular basis? Why do you believe Americans are different?
Americans are not used to being in this position and are freezing in place. They tell themselves it’s “to fight” and to reclaim the country, but they ignore the reality that this could be a bleak path for ostensibly decades upon decades.
The lesson of 1933 is you get out. But lots of Americans won’t because they have never liked history or valued it.
And this is how we achieved a population greater than what our housing can support. Unless you’re ready to fork over 1200-2k a month for a 1 bedroom & 1 bathroom then I would advise against this.
You should take a peak on what people in the US have to deal with before you go shitting on Canada.
That also isn’t how we got into a housing crisis. That was because the Government stopped building houses, and turned real estate into the monster of an investment vehicle it is today.
Do they really want me to be trapped? 😮 might go to El Salvador, but trapped?
I’m brown with a thick beard, so I’m used to being “naturally suspicious and prone to explosion” whenever I am within a 5 km distance of an airport. Yet US airports would scare the shit out of me
Definitely seen south Italians darker than me 😂 but coupled with “exotic looks” and the ability to actually tan it’s definitely plenty to produce the “terrorist look” and stand out in Scandinavia
Well yeah, if you’re trapped in one of our many prisons, you get to look forward to slave labor! Slavery is perfectly legal and constitutional, as per the 13th amendment.
I don’t know about pain, but the hard way really is the best teacher. People can tell you things until they are blue in the face, you’ll shrug, and when the time comes you may find out what they were talking about. But it will only make sense at that point! Sometimes it can go another way. Sometimes.
The Mexico border is down there. This is worrisome, not because of the Mexicans, but because ICE gangs like to hang out near the border to try and catch runners. A lot of them are tied up in northern cities right now kidnapping citizens but I wouldn’t expect them to leave the southern border undefended.
It’s extremely hot as fuck right now. Further south you go the worse it gets. I’m ~600 miles north of Orlando and it was 109F outside today (that’s about 43C) with over 50% humidity. When you pass through my home state of Louisiana you’ll be seeing closer to 115F/80%. With heat that high and humidity content that high heat stroke becomes extremely easy. You’ll be dealing with this from Florida through around maybe Texas where it starts to become a drier heat, with lower humidity, but places like Arizona used to hit 120F/49C before we were all talking about global warming.
Southern Americans (as in, Southerners in the US, not people who live in South America, I know it’s confusing) are not all racist, but uh… you’ll see more who are, than aren’t. If you’re any shade of brown you’re going to have a rough time. If you speak with a “funny” accent you’re going to have a rough time. Armed racists populate huge swathes of the southern and midwestern US. This is statistically more likely to be just upsetting rather than directly harmful in most situations, but I wouldn’t want to roll those dice, it’s still very possible to find people who would just abduct and kill a foreigner they don’t like.
Currently speaking, your biggest problems in the American South right now as a foreign tourist are going to be local racism and ICE. The local racism has been around forever and is mostly tolerable if you don’t take offense easily, but you can probably expect to be called some slurs right to your face in more than a few small towns. ICE is a newer and probably bigger problem at the moment. They have orders from the president to capture and deport more people than they will possibly be able to accomplish, so anyone who looks or sounds foreign and doesn’t have three forms of ID on them to prove citizenship is increasingly likely to get bagged, tagged, and dragged to a blacksite somewhere. I’m not confident that a tourist visa (or even a work visa) is going to stop them, it’s already been proven that actual valid citizenship doesn’t stop them.
In general I think they’re mostly referring to the fact that the U.S is ridiculously BIG. Like, most visitors freak out at how long you can drive through almost nothing here, when going between major population areas.
Driving through wilderness without a lot of extra water and a cellular connection, and maybe a spare tire, for example, is foolhardy.
Along the way, especially in “The South”, you’ll find the loveliest, kindest people, but you’ll also find various, (probably politically motivated, lately) sadists/racists/bullies, some of which may be small-town law enforcement looking for excitement.
The law can be more “flexible” without major oversight in such places, and with the cult of the orange tyrant emboldening the prejudiced lately, that could spell trouble.
There’s also various kinds of unsavory types as you’d find in any other country; I’m talking criminals, swindlers, and various weirdos of ill intent, and some stretches of the country are remote. Like, “no signal and it goes on and on in all directions until you see the earth curve” remote.
The vast majority of people are lovely, and would probably welcome and appreciate foreigners, the worst you’d deal with is getting a migraine from stupid but friendly questions about your accent or where you’re from.
But like anywhere else, you need your wits about you.
In short:
Lovely place where many sights and adventures can be had! The biggest dangers are the roads and wilderness, basically.
Don’t mess with wildlife.
Don’t go off exploring remote areas in which you have no business
Don’t underestimate the wilderness and go unprepared.
Practice the same street smarts as you would anywhere else, like don’t go getting into strangers’ cars or accepting random open beverages.
Setting aside the anomalous political tensions right now, the biggest danger to travelers to this country is seeing it as a big theme park where they can’t possibly put themselves in any danger. Your average park rangers have plenty of horror stories about that, I’m sure, like idiots trying to selfie in front of buffalo or stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, or falling into Yellowstone’s tranquil but literally boiling hot springs…
Don’t be that tragic idiot . . .and you’ll likely have a fantastic time.
Thanks a lot, this is super helpful actually! Couldn’t imagine driving through areas for hours without reception or any signs of civilization, sounds kinda exciting and scary at the same time. Will definitely keep this saved
Thankfully, the cell signal situation has improved a LOT among major routes in recent years, so I hope it doesn’t sound too scary. There’s also safety in numbers, at the very least the buddy system! :)
There’s a lot of online information / guides for travelers, and of course, get a U.S SIM card and check who’s got the best/broadest service areas where you’ll be going. Also, offline maps can be downloaded to your device as well.
(But learning to use a paper one is always an excellent skill to have!)
In case of an emergency, phones can still usually reach 911 (our emergency services number) if they can reach a cell tower at all, regardless of “subscription”, if that’s of any comfort. :)
Lol what degree of douchebag would downvote your comment, holy cow LOL.
I sincerely commend the positivity and kindness you’ve been bringing to this thread with warmly inviting people to flee to Canada.
Edit: Although maybe you’re being a bit harsh further down. :( It doesn’t have to be so personal? People are just discussing stuff. Let’s not let the decisions of stupid men in power deter us from productive discussion.
But if I leave the country for any reason I have to come back.
You don’t, and that has nothing to do with traveling to the US from another country, so that is why you get the “aggressive” response because I am tired of Americans chiming in with “Jokes” when their country is a fucking hell hole that is impacting everyone else.
Leave, fix your shit, or stop crying to people negatively impacted by your people without adding anything meaningful to the conversation.
I am tired of Americans chiming in with “Jokes” when their country is a fucking hell hole that is impacting everyone else.
Go through my post history. I’m literally an anarchist. I literally hate America and I literally want to abolish it. I am perfectly aware of how disgusting American influence is on the world—that’s why I’m making jokes about it. Joking about it is how some people cope with the crushing reality of capitalism. And honestly I thought these two comments were kinda tame.
You literally aren’t an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship. You likely wouldn’t survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
You literally aren’t an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship.
No that’s not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don’t have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
You likely wouldn’t survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
Well no I wouldn’t survive because everyone dies 😆. But I wouldn’t advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.
But I want to gently push back against the “Mad Max” notion of “anarchy” that I think you’re working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances. I’m a Christian Anarchist myself, and see anarchism as a society in a similar light as personally trying to be like Jesus: It may be a state of perfection we, in our imperfections, cannot attain, but if everyone was trying their best towards a cooperative society free of authoritarian hierarchal peepee-swinging, maybe things would be much better overall.
Daring to believe in a better world and exert whatever influence we have to do so, takes a strong inner fire, and a lot of people miss the point when they think we just wanna tear it all down without a plan and start from scratch next week and it would all be unicorns and rainbows overnight.
No that’s not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don’t have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it. As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you “advocate against” you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
Well no I wouldn’t survive because everyone dies 😆. But I wouldn’t advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.
You are advocating for something that wouldn’t last, and would be a bad time for most involved. The idea of Anarchy may sound cool to you, but if you bring it to its logical conclusion it fails immediately. There is a reason why Anarchy didn’t embed itself as the default after we started forming larger and larger groups.
But I want to gently push back against the “Mad Max” notion of “anarchy” that I think you’re working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
Whatever idea of Anarchy that you are working with is misinformed. The state formed as a product of people grouping up and requiring structures and rules for everyone to coexist as peacefully as possible. If your idea of Anarchy is “Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism” we have a name for that and it is called “Socialism”.
The US is not safe to travel to and you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now. Keep this in your mind regardless of what reason you think contradicts this. It is not safe.
As an American, seconded.
I’m trapped here, don’t YOU risk being kidnapped and trapped here or sent somewhere worse just because you wanted to see the Grand Canyon.
I am honestly wondering how long it will be before you are eligible for refugee claims in the world with the state of affairs in your country. You aren’t trapped though! Come to Canada! We have a bunch of issues now, but it will be a breathe of fresh air compared to the issues you face.
Of only it was that simple
Why isn’t it that simple? People leave their countries for a better life everyday. If the situation is as bad as claimed I can see no reason why regardless of complexity it isn’t the option chosen.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
Do you think any of this should matter to someone who needs to flee a country for their safety? Do you know how many people need to do such things on a regular basis? Why do you believe Americans are different?
You see, her CDs are in his truck.
Lack of financials, knowledge, and support? “If the situation is as bad as claimed” is crazy tbh.
That sounds a lot like the conditions for people who leave other countries for a better life.
Americans are not used to being in this position and are freezing in place. They tell themselves it’s “to fight” and to reclaim the country, but they ignore the reality that this could be a bleak path for ostensibly decades upon decades.
The lesson of 1933 is you get out. But lots of Americans won’t because they have never liked history or valued it.
And this is how we achieved a population greater than what our housing can support. Unless you’re ready to fork over 1200-2k a month for a 1 bedroom & 1 bathroom then I would advise against this.
You should take a peak on what people in the US have to deal with before you go shitting on Canada.
That also isn’t how we got into a housing crisis. That was because the Government stopped building houses, and turned real estate into the monster of an investment vehicle it is today.
People are already forking over that kind of money in the US, and have been for years.
ooo, ten years ago prices
Do they really want me to be trapped? 😮 might go to El Salvador, but trapped?
I’m brown with a thick beard, so I’m used to being “naturally suspicious and prone to explosion” whenever I am within a 5 km distance of an airport. Yet US airports would scare the shit out of me
Brown like south Italians?
Definitely seen south Italians darker than me 😂 but coupled with “exotic looks” and the ability to actually tan it’s definitely plenty to produce the “terrorist look” and stand out in Scandinavia
Well yeah, if you’re trapped in one of our many prisons, you get to look forward to slave labor! Slavery is perfectly legal and constitutional, as per the 13th amendment.
Some people only learn by pain, apparently.
I mean, that would have been an accurate description of me at age 21
I don’t know about pain, but the hard way really is the best teacher. People can tell you things until they are blue in the face, you’ll shrug, and when the time comes you may find out what they were talking about. But it will only make sense at that point! Sometimes it can go another way. Sometimes.
I have a friend who’s going there this weekend. Landing in Orlando, and will be driving to LA. I told him to be very careful!
Orlando to LA? Are they crazy or dumb?
Flying in from outside the US during this time to then attempt to drive all the way across the South
Both. It’s both. I hope they stay safe. There are like 4 different major threats to a foreigner on that route.
Just out of curiosity I know it’s a super long drive but are there like places there where it’s not safe? Have never been to the US
In the South? Yes, definitely.
The Mexico border is down there. This is worrisome, not because of the Mexicans, but because ICE gangs like to hang out near the border to try and catch runners. A lot of them are tied up in northern cities right now kidnapping citizens but I wouldn’t expect them to leave the southern border undefended.
It’s extremely hot as fuck right now. Further south you go the worse it gets. I’m ~600 miles north of Orlando and it was 109F outside today (that’s about 43C) with over 50% humidity. When you pass through my home state of Louisiana you’ll be seeing closer to 115F/80%. With heat that high and humidity content that high heat stroke becomes extremely easy. You’ll be dealing with this from Florida through around maybe Texas where it starts to become a drier heat, with lower humidity, but places like Arizona used to hit 120F/49C before we were all talking about global warming.
Southern Americans (as in, Southerners in the US, not people who live in South America, I know it’s confusing) are not all racist, but uh… you’ll see more who are, than aren’t. If you’re any shade of brown you’re going to have a rough time. If you speak with a “funny” accent you’re going to have a rough time. Armed racists populate huge swathes of the southern and midwestern US. This is statistically more likely to be just upsetting rather than directly harmful in most situations, but I wouldn’t want to roll those dice, it’s still very possible to find people who would just abduct and kill a foreigner they don’t like.
Currently speaking, your biggest problems in the American South right now as a foreign tourist are going to be local racism and ICE. The local racism has been around forever and is mostly tolerable if you don’t take offense easily, but you can probably expect to be called some slurs right to your face in more than a few small towns. ICE is a newer and probably bigger problem at the moment. They have orders from the president to capture and deport more people than they will possibly be able to accomplish, so anyone who looks or sounds foreign and doesn’t have three forms of ID on them to prove citizenship is increasingly likely to get bagged, tagged, and dragged to a blacksite somewhere. I’m not confident that a tourist visa (or even a work visa) is going to stop them, it’s already been proven that actual valid citizenship doesn’t stop them.
In general I think they’re mostly referring to the fact that the U.S is ridiculously BIG. Like, most visitors freak out at how long you can drive through almost nothing here, when going between major population areas.
Driving through wilderness without a lot of extra water and a cellular connection, and maybe a spare tire, for example, is foolhardy.
Along the way, especially in “The South”, you’ll find the loveliest, kindest people, but you’ll also find various, (probably politically motivated, lately) sadists/racists/bullies, some of which may be small-town law enforcement looking for excitement.
The law can be more “flexible” without major oversight in such places, and with the cult of the orange tyrant emboldening the prejudiced lately, that could spell trouble.
There’s also various kinds of unsavory types as you’d find in any other country; I’m talking criminals, swindlers, and various weirdos of ill intent, and some stretches of the country are remote. Like, “no signal and it goes on and on in all directions until you see the earth curve” remote.
The vast majority of people are lovely, and would probably welcome and appreciate foreigners, the worst you’d deal with is getting a migraine from stupid but friendly questions about your accent or where you’re from.
But like anywhere else, you need your wits about you.
In short:
Lovely place where many sights and adventures can be had! The biggest dangers are the roads and wilderness, basically.
Setting aside the anomalous political tensions right now, the biggest danger to travelers to this country is seeing it as a big theme park where they can’t possibly put themselves in any danger. Your average park rangers have plenty of horror stories about that, I’m sure, like idiots trying to selfie in front of buffalo or stand on the edge of the Grand Canyon, or falling into Yellowstone’s tranquil but literally boiling hot springs…
Don’t be that tragic idiot . . .and you’ll likely have a fantastic time.
Hope this helps. :)
Thanks a lot, this is super helpful actually! Couldn’t imagine driving through areas for hours without reception or any signs of civilization, sounds kinda exciting and scary at the same time. Will definitely keep this saved
I’m glad I could be helpful!
Thankfully, the cell signal situation has improved a LOT among major routes in recent years, so I hope it doesn’t sound too scary. There’s also safety in numbers, at the very least the buddy system! :)
There’s a lot of online information / guides for travelers, and of course, get a U.S SIM card and check who’s got the best/broadest service areas where you’ll be going. Also, offline maps can be downloaded to your device as well.
(But learning to use a paper one is always an excellent skill to have!)
In case of an emergency, phones can still usually reach 911 (our emergency services number) if they can reach a cell tower at all, regardless of “subscription”, if that’s of any comfort. :)
Yes.
I wish your friend safety in their travels!
Lol what degree of douchebag would downvote your comment, holy cow LOL.
I sincerely commend the positivity and kindness you’ve been bringing to this thread with warmly inviting people to flee to Canada.
Edit: Although maybe you’re being a bit harsh further down. :( It doesn’t have to be so personal? People are just discussing stuff. Let’s not let the decisions of stupid men in power deter us from productive discussion.
Yeah… Nah…
Heh, it’s cool, that’s your right.
I hope you have a good one. <3
My parents live here 💀
I live here 💀💀
Damn. So sorry.
The key word is “travel” thus excluding you and your family from the warning. Now go fix your shit instead of crying to someone who cannot.
But if I leave the country for any reason I have to come back. So then I have to travel into the country.
Also that’s kind of an aggressive response for what I meant to be kind of a jokey comment?
You don’t, and that has nothing to do with traveling to the US from another country, so that is why you get the “aggressive” response because I am tired of Americans chiming in with “Jokes” when their country is a fucking hell hole that is impacting everyone else.
Leave, fix your shit, or stop crying to people negatively impacted by your people without adding anything meaningful to the conversation.
Go through my post history. I’m literally an anarchist. I literally hate America and I literally want to abolish it. I am perfectly aware of how disgusting American influence is on the world—that’s why I’m making jokes about it. Joking about it is how some people cope with the crushing reality of capitalism. And honestly I thought these two comments were kinda tame.
You literally aren’t an Anarchist because you are literally living under the boot of a dictatorship. You likely wouldn’t survive an anarchist society, but you will grow out of that idea eventually I am sure.
No that’s not how it works. Anarchists are people who advocate for the abolition of all authorities and hierarchies, including but not limited to the State, capitalism, xenophobia, racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. You don’t have to currently live in an anarchist society to be an anarchist.
Well no I wouldn’t survive because everyone dies 😆. But I wouldn’t advocate for anarchism if I thought I was going to have a bad time.
But I want to gently push back against the “Mad Max” notion of “anarchy” that I think you’re working with. Most forms of anarchism actually call for people to work together, to form groups to get stuff done but without the violence inherent in the State and the inequalities of capitalism that States inevitably reinforce.
For more information, see Section A.1 of the Anarchist FAQ.
I like the way you explain your Anarchist stances. I’m a Christian Anarchist myself, and see anarchism as a society in a similar light as personally trying to be like Jesus: It may be a state of perfection we, in our imperfections, cannot attain, but if everyone was trying their best towards a cooperative society free of authoritarian hierarchal peepee-swinging, maybe things would be much better overall.
Daring to believe in a better world and exert whatever influence we have to do so, takes a strong inner fire, and a lot of people miss the point when they think we just wanna tear it all down without a plan and start from scratch next week and it would all be unicorns and rainbows overnight.
I know what Anarchists are, which is why I said one day you will grow out of it. As long as you abide by the laws and systems of the things you “advocate against” you are nothing more than a hypocrite like all other Anarchists.
You are advocating for something that wouldn’t last, and would be a bad time for most involved. The idea of Anarchy may sound cool to you, but if you bring it to its logical conclusion it fails immediately. There is a reason why Anarchy didn’t embed itself as the default after we started forming larger and larger groups.
Whatever idea of Anarchy that you are working with is misinformed. The state formed as a product of people grouping up and requiring structures and rules for everyone to coexist as peacefully as possible. If your idea of Anarchy is “Everyone works together to get stuff done without violence inherent in the state and the inequalities of capitalism” we have a name for that and it is called “Socialism”.
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