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World News@lemmy.mlbyIndustryStandard@lemmy.world
1 year

Israel admits their airforce fired on Oct 7 over 11,000 shells, 500 heavy one-ton bombs & 180 missiles on the "Gaza envelope" (the Israeli side of Gaza's perimeter fence).

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Full article:

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/01/31/how-the-israeli-air-force-caught-completely-off-guard-by-hamas/

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    • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1 year

      A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots.

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
          1 year

          It works especially well if the media publishes the lie but not the truth afterwards.

            • GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml
              1 year

              Joe Biden “saw” 40 beheaded babies.

          • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1 year

            We know from footage Hamas/PIJ killed a significant number, including civilians. Back in late 2023 I was figuring maybe about 75/25 Hamas/IDF ratio. Soon after, we saw a lot of evidence of IDF tanks and helicopters firing on civilians, not to mention the dozens of exploded cars. But that is a LOT of explosives in those statistics. 50/50, 33/66?

              • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
                1 year

                Educated guess is every burnt body was killed by IDF and every shot body was killed by Hamas.

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  1 year

                  The article states that the bombs were dropped over Gaza, not Israel. It also states that the airforce, in hindsight, feels they acted too careful out of fear for civilian casualties.

                  I’ve read some of the ‘reasoning’ from this OP in the past and I’m afraid the twist that “the Israelis just went and killed themselves” is mostly wishful thinking

                    • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
                      1 year

                      Where are you seeing that in the article?

                        • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                          1 year

                          It really only takes 5-10 minutes to read

                          during the day fighter jets dropped 530 tons of bombs on Gaza

                            • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
                              1 year

                              Due to the article’s failure to make its claims explicit, that doesn’t explain all of this:

                              Indeed, data revealed here for the first time shows that during the fighting on October 7, the Air Force fired 11,000 shells, dropped more than 500 heavy one-ton bombs and launched 180 missiles. According to the data, during the battle the Air Force eliminated 1,000 fighters. Even if this is an exaggeration, these are impressive numbers.

                                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                                  1 year

                                  If you’re really interested, I can only keep recommending you read the article yourself. You’ll find it explicitly states that said missiles and shells were fired by helicopters and UAV’s.

                                  But what do you need to have explained about it? How can this still be news to anyone?? Do you want to believe the Israeli airforce only shoots flowers and thank you notes?

                                    • dx1@lemmy.mlEnglish
                                      1 year

                                      I don’t know if you’re purposefully misunderstanding me or what. Not gonna bother.

                          • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                            1 year

                            The article claims the exact opposite, ie. that the mentioned amount of bombs was largely dropped on targets within Gaza.

                            The term ‘Gaza envelope’ does not appear once and looks like a fabrication

                              • geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
                                1 year

                                The tweeter seems to switch the term “envelope” with “sector”

                                They based their work on an enormous database including detailed documentation of every sortie conducted in the Gaza sector on October 7. This database was overlaid on an interactive map showing with a mouse click every attack carried out by the Air Force, including precise time and location, type of munition fired, the aircraft that fired it, the relevant squadron and the result of the hit (destruction of a vehicle, elimination of a fighter, etc.).

                                The investigation further reveals that besides the attack formations, the Air Force’s special units – Shaldag and Unit 669 – took a significant part in combat operations, and that Air Force transport helicopters landed about 1,700 infantry fighters in the Gaza sector during the fighting and evacuated more than 150 casualties. During one mission a Yasur helicopter was hit and destroyed by an RPG after making an emergency landing. The air defense array also dealt, with relative success, with the heaviest barrage ever fired at Israel. In other words, the skies were not completely empty.

                                • TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                                  1 year

                                  Yea I’m lost.

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