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- eran_morad@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator2 years
Maybe I’m misunderstanding. I grew up in NYC, and “father” absolutely does rhyme with “bother”. Just listen to Run DMC: “they even bother my poor father cause he’s down with me.”
- 2 years
Even by how complex it is, this map is obviously an oversimplification
- 2 years
Looks like the difference is between the rounded and unrounded back open vowels /ɑ/ and /ɒ/. This site has an IPA chart where you can hear the differences. The father-bother merger hasn’t happened in my (NE) accent, but I didn’t know that pretty much everywhere else merged the two. Interesting that cot-caught merged for NE but not father-bother.
- HomerianSymphony@lemmy.worldEnglish2 years
Younger New Yorkers do have the father-bother merger, but older New Yorkers don’t.
Also, Run DMC probably speak African-American English, which, as this map says, is generally independent of other dialects and not included on this map.
- eran_morad@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator2 years
This just doesn’t jibe with my experience, and I still have family there.
- 2 years
The Run DMC lyric actually sounds like the (previously unmerged) father vowel /ɑ/ went toward the bother vowel /ɒ/ than the other way around. I might even put it as /ɔ/ or /o/ when listening to the sounds on the IPA chart.
Whereas if you listen to the pronunciations on Merriam Webster father and bother it actually lists them both as /ä/, which is apparently a near-back vowel instead of back. I don’t know which one NY does though.
- 2 years
Kinda makes sense, though. You can fly from the west coast of the US to South Africa in under 24 hours. Areas that used to take weeks, months, and even years to get to are now under 24 hours and largely less than $5,000 to travel to.
We are gonna get some wild pandemics since anyone can criss-cross the globe so fast.
- 2 years
We need to reinforce regional accents and provide more indigenous languages courses.
- ironsoap@lemmy.oneEnglish2 years
Cool map! Do you have a source? Curious if they’ve done other countries.
2 yearsHere you go, I’ll add this to the OP too https://aschmann.net/AmEng/#Au_Washington_State
- 2 years
This is a lot for me to take in, and even with some of the audio excerpts, explanations and charts I still don’t get it.
- 2 years
I don’t understand how they put Vancouver and Toronto in the same accent group. Quite distinct.
- 2 years
Where I’m from, “Mary,” “Marry,” and “Merry” are not pronounced the same.
Mary rhymes with airy. Marry rhymes with Barry. Merry rhymes with ferry.
- loudambiance@sh.itjust.worksEnglish2 years
Every one of those words rhyme and sound the same… Not sure if you are joking or of my accent is the joke…
- 2 years
Interesting how Washington, DC used to be within the Southern accent territory, but this has died out to mostly older speakers.
The anecdote that really hits this home for me is that in 2006 they updated the voice on the metro which said “Doors closing, please stand clear of the doors.” The old voice had a southern accent but the new voice did not.
It reminds me a lot of ourdialects.uk which does similar but for the UK and split across a few different maps. I’d love a website where it guesses where you (or someone else) are from based on some sort of quiz.
- 2 years
Loving the little island of French around Falher (pronounced “Fall-air”)
- 2 years
Nice to see the province of Alberta having a French majority area despite the hostility to francophone culture.
