I am going to go out on a limb and guess your sister is religous. If not, than she falls into the 10 to 15% who voted for him because they gain something. I had a contractor who turned out to be the same. All he cared about was voting for whoever was better for his wallet. Lower taxes mean more money for him. He even had a slip of paper in his pocket with the values of a stock market index before and after trump. He proudly claimed that is why he would vote for trump.

But my best friends brother in law is a vet, and he is very pro trump. He simply has been duped. He honestly believes that all the negative news about trump is fake news. That it is the establishment trying to smear trump while he fights for the little guy. He is not brilliant, but he is an adult, and he even served his country. But he fell victim to the lies and the propaganda.

For each one like my one time contractor, I know 4 more like my best friends brother in law.

But we aren’t talking about everyone. Trump got less than 50%, 10 to 15% voted for him because they were greedy, and he was good for them. 35 to 40% are just to gullible. It is them I find it hard to completely blame.

But should you really? Watch the john oliver bit about online gambling. You end up with one person against an army of experts trying to manipulate them into making a bad decision. When do we decide that it’s just not fair for a lot of people, and they really had no chance.

The thing I disagree with is the choice part. You are basically saying that people who have been brainwashed should choose to get the help needed to undo the brainwashing that convinced them that only evil people could have been brainwashed and that they are the most virtuous and righteous people to have ever lived. That just doesn’t work, that is why interventions exist.

You need to try to talk to more of these people. There are some who deserve blame, but not nearly as many as you think. Being an adult doesn’t automatically make a person capable of good decisions.

Neither of those links have anything to do with people having a choice to be less gulible. They are just definitions of the words with examples of use. Gullibility is a personal trait, not a choice. You mention accessing proper mental healthcare… good luck in the US. Besides, these people are being fed the line that they aren’t the ones who need help. Not to mention being convinced that the mental health professionals are transition toddler between sexes (which of course they aren’t). So they avoid even seeking the care.

But look at the data. Forvthe most part it is the red states he is hurting the most. They litterally are the victums. Doesn’t stop me from hating them, but I know the blame doesn’t really belong on them. The people who deserve the blame just want us to blame them.

That’s not how gullible works. You don’t have a choice. Evidence doesn’t matter if you are convinced it is fake news. And yes, I have met people who really believed all of that was fake news.

Trump is mostly a pawn really. The people pulling the strings is where the line should be drawn. They know what they are doing is wrong, but do it anyway.

That’s basically victim blaming. You are implying they have a choice to be less gullible? And yeah, it is a large group, the size of it doesn’t really matter. The powers that be are taking advantage of the masses for thier own purposes. And they know they are doing it.

It’s a tough one. Even the people who voted for him are mainly guilty of being gullible. Noone is born maga. They get indoctrinated. The gullible believe it, the rest make up all the stories about family political arguments at holiday dinners…

Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

Sadly I agree. It probably only ends when one side achieves complete victory. The Israeli hardliners probably see it that way too. And they have decided to end it now.

They’ve been taught from a young age that any they kill isn’t murder, but self defense. I am not saying any of this is right. Just that I can understand how they may feel. Just as I can understand how the other side feels and why they chuck bombs over the fence. In my mind, every death of a civilian to these kinds of activities is a failure of the leaderships involved.

More like, people do dumb things under significant stress. This is already know. So we can focus on that or focus on the cause.

I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.

I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.

Article is walled, so I couldn’t read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn’t mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.

At the same time, one can say that all the hate is a sign of how bad things are for so many people (mentally in this case). They are so desperate for someone to pay for crimes committed upon them and others, they will hate a rando because the news called him a businessman.

Correction… he works only for himself.

Star trek 6, “well the thing’s gotta have a tailpipe.”

Enter Maverick, ready to fly the old jets.