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- RetroGradeBE@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
As bad as it sounds, if our European leaders can get their head out of their collective US-aligned asses, it could finally be a push to a more cohesive EU-defence policy that is not dependant on US logistics and firepower.
We have allowed ourselves to be way to complacent for far too long.
- frezik@midwest.socialEnglish1 year
There are silver linings like this. The good news is that if we fight now, Trump will have destroyed a lot of the institutions (both domestic and foreign) that were holding back real progress. Clears the way to build better ones.
- cool@lemmings.worldEnglish1 year
it could finally be a push to a more cohesive EU-defence policy that is not dependant on US logistics and firepower.
I think the main reason why the EU doesn’t care much about defense is that their people don’t “value” war as much as other nations.
They live comfortably. They have their social services. Life is pretty good, for the most part.
Trying to convince them to go die in a war isn’t going to be very popular. I genuinely believe the Western world is in for a rude awakening when an actual conflict breaks out.
It’s not just logistics. These are people’s lives.
- Darkmoon_UK@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
Collectively European nations have the economy and technology to build a Military Industrial Complex to rival the US… I hope they truly wake up before it’s too late, lest the birthplace of western civilization also become it’s grave 😢
- HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 year
Most are ok. It’s the spoiled nepo babies who’ve grown into privileged assholes that are the problem.
- HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 year
Plus the morons that keep voting them into power.
Nobody voted Schmusk into power.
1 yearBut everybody who wanted to could have known that Trump was going to appoint the most comically unqualified people.
- guldukat@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
No, but what was coming was in their face. The US is OK with it. We are no longer an ally, but please don’t forget about us…
- AtariDump@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.Douglas Adams,
Ele… what? Phew, for a second there I thought I had accidentally posted on .ml again.
So how do you decide who gets to govern, if not through elections? And yes, I am very much a “hurr ml” person. I’ve rarely seen such an accumulation of blockheads outside r/thedonald, back in the day.
I don’t get what happened here. Did you really said “electoralism is not the root cause of fascism”, meaning that power would end up corrupted no matter what, and people actually downvoted you on .world, meaning they would think that electoralism IS a problem ? That’s not at all the cliché I have for either .ml and .world folks.
Or, since your original comment was edited later than its reply, did you edit it to make it say something else ?
- dgbhxi@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
some people have to vote for them and put them up there. So i would say most is accurate sadly :/
- credo@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
Most
Are you sure?
In any event, its probably a game of tug of war, and the decisions we make as a society depend greatly on how society’s parents were raised.
- HellsBelle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 year
Yes I’m sure, because most people are not psychopathic, sociopathic or super-rich assholes.
In fact only a few are at least 2 out of 3 there. The problem is they’re also the ones with the most power.
- credo@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
The question at hand is stupidity. I’m not sure why you invented different problems to discuss.
This type of discourse is pretty common around here though…
- turnip@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 year
The game is abusing the reserve currency to fund your defense. The US extorts third world countries into accepting its inflation by utilizing USD, which funds its military, and Europe figured it would be able to coast on the the US doing this in perpetuity.
The problem the US faces is China stopped recycling into US treasuries, and other countries are following suit. So the world is changing and rates will be higher globally moving forward, hence Europe’s sudden goal of rushing in a CBDC by October.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nHd_1QEC5r4
I’m not crazy right, clearly aging demographics and higher yield treasuries are the cause of all of this instability the last few years?
- 1 year
Standing in the middle of a fully stocked supermarket saying, “well, I guess this is it. We have no choice but to kill and eat each other.”
- 1 year
Switzerland is always prepared for war. Prepared to stay the fuck out of it and profit from it.
- Raylon@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
If anyone is interested in the state of things in Switzerland:
Our defense is in chaos right now. A scandal in our state-owned but public weapons manufacturer just broke a few weeks ago and shortly after the secretary of the departement of defense announced her resignation. We will see if the newly elected one will improve the situation.
The army is generally seen as somewhat of a joke, especially by people who served, which is more than half of all Swiss men. We like to call it a “Pfadiverein” (boy scouts association).
Even with all that, the right wing parties want to give a shitload more money to defense, and cut costs in social spending and foreign aid to compensate. Left of centre the need to improve defense is also accepted, but 1) before the army gets more money, they need to get their shit together and 2) more important than the army itself is integration with the european security Infrastructure (the left parties are also very pro-EU). The centre politicians usually mix blth stances and lean more one or the other way.
Also we still stand to buy fighter jets from the US, and only the left parties are calling to cancel the deal.
- Droggelbecher@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
If it makes you feel any better, we have a joke in Austria that we might as well not have an army, because we border 1) NATO, 2) Switzerland, and if either of those become a threat, we might as well capitulate immediately.
Then you don’t understand what’s REALLY going-on:
Trump wants to smash Canada & Greenland, so that between Trump+Musk on ALL of North America + Greenland,
& Putin-backed-by-China,
the hated-by-them EU can be DESTROYED,
& then they get to be the ONLY “kings” ruling the world.
FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO SAVE EUROPE’S LIFE, if you have to!
Trump’s declaring war against Canada, my country, is certain, within 2-2.5y, maximum.
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- ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish1 year
Trump’s declaring war against Canada, my country, is certain, within 2-2.5y, maximum.
I only think you’re optimistic in the time frame. I’m expecting within 6 months, Trump will try. He will fail, because he fails to understand how many USians will take up arms to defend Canada, from within the US itself.
Once that happens, it’s game over for the US. I honestly think it will be the spark that causes civil war, and this time, a dissolution of the union.
I project within 10 years, the United States will consist of about 15 states, and the rest of the states will be split into their own countries, with one of them possibly incorporated into Canada.
My guess is the NE gets turned into another province, and the Pacific Coast states will be the own country; in the end, likely about 20 years out.
- Tiger@sh.itjust.worksEnglish1 year
Man you guys really swing for the fences and get specific with your predictions, love it.
Ok first off LOL I appreciate the thought experiment we all have them and anything is in the realm of possibility but still be batshit insane.
That said, I want Minnesota because selfishly their hip hop scene is bumpin
- SabinStargem@lemmy.todayEnglish1 year
I think Mexico is the most likely candidate for attempted 1st annexation. Trump hates colored people, thus he thinks it is an easy win on multiple levels. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mexico ends up as a proxy combatant on the behalf of Canada and the EU, and likely using their cartels to kill members of Yarvin’s Cabal to send a message.
Oh, while the US is waging TOTAL WAR against Canada, 3y from now, if anyone think that China-backed-Russia isn’t going to be rampaging Europe, they’re mindblind/incompetent.
This is THE GREAT FILTER: humankind’s species-“puberty”.
Grow-up transformation either will be earned, by some remnant of our world’s people,
XOR
the galaxy will be silent of our-kind, permanently, by the end of this century, forever.
Natural Selection, it’s called, within an Extinction Event, too…
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I don’t know what form of stroke you just had, but as a fellow Swiss - Raylon@lemmy.world summarized it beautifully. To stay on topic, with our current military / defence setup; we’re fucked.
It’s high time that we throw out the US army from Europe. They’ve been waging war in the middle east from Rammstein for decades.
- 1 year
It seems like they want to downsize. I wonder if Europeans can convince the orange guy to sell some equipment at a discount rather than ship it home.
- 1 year
I was thinking of a country that might be able to use it now.
- Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
Sure, hopefully we’ll do as much as we can and buy the rest, but the USA might not sell it (like information).
- 1 year
I doubt it as well, but I bet it would be worth the shot. Be nice to see some allies get a much deserved windfall.
- Saleh@feddit.orgEnglish1 year
Because Russia and the US like to invade countries on trumped up claims, and one facing conequences is bad looks for the other one too?
Anyone taking bets which Country gets threatened next I’m thinking Jamaica had to hand over 50percent of its rum.
- Agent641@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
“Puerto Rico needs to end it’s vicious trade war against the US or risk it’s government being overthrown and made a US state.”
- werefreeatlast@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
They better start exporting their bountiful electricity! They got so much of it, enough for a good 3 or 4 days of AI questions about how awesome our beautiful leader Mr orange is.
- garbagebagel@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
I hear Puerto Rico is actually stocked full of paper towels, so much so that their politicians are literally throwing them around! They should definitely be sharing with the US.
/s
- Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
This isn’t really a threat, because the person saying it doesn’t make those decisions.
- Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
“According to everything I hear from Washington, Europe is no longer a priority.” Trump sees China as the main opponent of the US.
This didn’t start with Trump, it has been building for a long time. I haven’t seen anyone spell it out so clearly before though.
- 1 year
Frankly I think Trump sees western nations not led by dictators as threats.
- REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish1 year
Soo. Uhh… what exactly happens when US loses it’s soft power and trust in Europe and Europe slowly cozies up to China?
- ammonium@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
Maybe you weren’t paying attention when Obama was president? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
- Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
Oh, this is exactly what I was saying, this has been going on since Obama.
- ammonium@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
What I mean is the pivot to the east was pretty clear with Obama. With Trump? I think he sees China and Russia more as a role model than an opponent, but who knows what’s going on in his mind.
- Clbull@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
If Putin had any desire to conquer Switzerland, all I’ll say is good luck. They’re:
- Heavily fortified, with hundreds of bunkers dotting the countryside
- Highly mountainous, which would heavily slow down a ground invasion.
- One of the few states to still practice mandatory military service.
- Pretty lax with gun ownership, to the point where citizens have a statutory duty to bear arms in the event of an invasion.
- A substantial player in the banking sector with many oligarchs using their service. Any freeze they’d put on Russian assets would likely go above and beyond what NATO and the EU managed, just because of how synonymous their banks are with the wealthy. They would probably send the Russian economy into freefall long before they could even get anywhere near Zurich.
- Surrounded from all sides by NATO and EU member states, and would likely have plenty of time to prepare their own forces in the unlikely event that Russia mounts a full-scale invasion and takes over the rest of Europe.
- Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
US troops often withdraw leaving way too much equipment behind.
I better not see civilians with “cool military” gear! That’s worse than any weeb or m’ladyian/fedorian.
But maybe I get to burn a Humvee or two since we “lack” those (now obviously surplus too) cybertrucks over here.
- FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
Shoving helos off a carrier deck comes to mind, when we were actually trying to evacuate refugees instead of lowering plane flaps to push off the hangers on. Guess the Taliban has Strykers and MRAPs now just like our cops, yay murica
- FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
They’re about to learn the real lesson of the Big Green Weenie…logistics
Tangentially related, he once said: “I had a German tell me one time, he said, the two pillars for us are NATO and the EU. NATO is for life, EU is for quality of life.” I wonder how that’ll play out in the near future.
EDIT: corrected link.- ZMoney@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
It’s unfortunate that we’ve configured our world like this, with rival nation states and militaries vying for supremacy. In reality, the conflict is between humans and militarism. Militarism will kill us all, in one way or another.
Make him a present, some winter vacations in Switzerland and some summer ones in Italy. Cool those US guys down, down to the bottom of earth
- scoobford@lemmy.zipEnglish1 year
Yes, they win most of them. They mostly lose when they try to occupy a foreign country and do counterinsurgency.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
- Devanismyname@lemmy.caEnglish1 year
Counter insurgency is tough to overcome. As you kill insurgents, more insurgents pop up because the initially killed insurgents were their family and friends. The only way to do it is to rule with an iron fist.
- scoobford@lemmy.zipEnglish1 year
I disagree that there is any way to do it. Ultimately, people don’t want you there and are unhappy enough that they’re willing to die rather than cooperate. It is simply too expensive in terms of man hours, lives, and money to keep a population under occupation like that. At the very least, you need to do as the colonial powers did and exploit a local division to deputize some of the locals to rule on your behalf.
- Devanismyname@lemmy.caEnglish1 year
The Mongolians did it. Rome did it. History is littered with countless examples of one nation overcoming another.
- 1 year
Every war they’ve ever declared. They just haven’t declared war since WW2
- chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish1 year
Desert Shield/Storm and Panama were overwhelmingly sucessful military operations because they had clear, achievable objectives. George HW Bush was a bastard, but his team could execute a military mission.
- 1 year
Also, the Iranian army didnt fight back because they didnt want to. Some even asked, “what took you so long?..”
- keyhoh@lemm.eeEnglish1 year
Not a typo. I’m making fun of Trump’s comment when he got into the Tesla last week.
Also funny to see that I’m being downvoted for making an accurate comment. Poor Americans are so thin skinned.
- 1 year
I seem to recall a pretty successful one against the British…
- Sicsurfer@lemmy.caEnglish1 year
This is blatant fear mongering, russia can’t even defeat the Ukraine. How the fuck do they manage a second front?
